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UDPATED (4): Presto Recording Corp: Pioneers of ‘Instant’ Analog Disc Recording

Download the fifty-page 1940 PRESTO RECORDING CORP catalog:

DOWNLOAD (part 1): Presto_1940_Cat_1

DOWNLOAD (part 2):Presto_1940_cat_2

Products covered, with text, some specs, and photos, include: Presto Model A, Model B, Model F recording installations; Presto Model C, Model Y, and Model K portable recorders; Presto type 8-A, 8-B, 28-A, 6-D, 6-E, 6-F, 26-B, 75-A, 75-B, 75-C, 9-A, and 9-B  recording turntables; Type 62-A transcription turntable; Automatic Equalizer 160; blower system 400; 150 and 151 pickups; Microphone Mixer type 130-A, B, C; Preamplifier type 40-A and 40-B; Presto radio tuner 50-A and 50-B; Recording Amplifiers  85-A, B, 85-E, 87-A and 87-B; plus a range of parts and accessories including Green Seal discs, Orange Seal discs, and Blue Label discs.

Above, the Presto Model A, their top-of-the-line system circa 1940.

Presto Recording Corp was a pioneer of coated-disc ‘Instantaneous Recording.’  From 1933 through the end of WWII, Presto was the US leader in providing high-quality recording equipment to broadcasters, schools, studios, and government.  There is a detailed history of the Presto Corp provided at this website, so no need to re-tread those waters.  Basically, what Presto offered was a way to make good-sounding LP and 78 recordings that could be played back instantly on any home turntable.  Unlike earlier commercial recording technologies, there was no intermediate submaster required.  Presto was able to do this by having designed an aluminum (later, glass) disc that was coated with a special cellulose-based compound (featuring 51 ingredients!).

At right, the Presto 200-A Electronics package.  This was a complete system of microphone preamps, cutting amps, patchbay, and AM radio tuner that was designed to accompany the Model-A pictured above.  Presto’s ‘instant-disc’ technology was basically rendered obsolete by the development of magnetic tape recorders in the late 1940s, most notably, AMPEX (and to lesser degree, Magnecord).   The specs for the better Presto systems weren’t awful: 50-8000hz frequency range, 50db signal-to-noise ratio; but this paled in comparison to the German Magnetophon technology that AMPEX built on, with a high-frequency response to 15,000hz.

On a more basic user-level: you could always record-over a piece of magnetic tape; but cutting into a lacquer-coated disc (at $16/unit in today’s money) was a commitment.

Presto Model C, their top-end portable system of 1940 ($20,000 in 2011 dollars; 138 lbs)

Looking through this catalog, the most fascinating aspect is the large range of mechanical devices and accessories recommended to insure the fidelity of the audio.  Nowadays almost all audio control happens electronically; once the room is treated and the microphone carefully placed, our work as recording engineers leaves the realm of physical manipulation and enters a world of electronic control.  In the era of analog disc recording, though, a careful recording engineer needed blowers…

…to efficiently remove the bits of cellulose material that the cutting needle carved out the the recording blanks;

viscous-oil-filled dampers to regulate vertical movement of the cutting head (a mechanical audio compressor, I would imagine);

…an optical microscope to examine the grooves that you just cut for quality-control purposes…

fresh sharp needles to do the actual cutting work…and, if you wanted the ultimate in convenience, an ‘automatic equalizer’ to automatically boost the treble frequencies as the cutting head moved closer to the center of the disc (since discs spin at a constant rate, as the needle gets closer to the center of the disc, the actual linear speed of the needle relative to the surface medium gets slower, and as we know well in all types of analog recording, slower equals less high-end).

Above, the Presto 40-A microphone pre-amplifier, the one piece of equipment in this lengthy catalog that could still be of potential use to modern recordists.  It uses two 1221 tubes to deliver 55dbs of gain (from what I can gather, 1221s are interchangeable with 6C6, the 6C6 being the predecessor to the 6J7, likely making these 40As likely very similar to RCA BA1/2/11 series mic preamps).  If anyone has the schematic to the Presto 40 mic preamp, please send it to us…  coincidentally I built a preamp with 6C6s a few years ago (based on a schematic from an ancient UTC catalog) and I liked the results.

UDPATE:

Thank-you to reader EL for sending us the schem to the Presto 40-A.  Here ’tis as a download: PRESTO Type 40-A preamp schematic

…And here as well:

This must be a slightly later version of the 40-A, as the 2nd tube is a 6SJ7, which is a variant of the 6J7 that has the input grid connection in the base rather than on the top.  Other things to note: the input transformer spec’d is an ‘LS-10,’ which I can only assume means the UTC LS-10…  circuit-wise, we have the first 6J7 connected in pentode, coupled by a .1uf cap to the 2nd 6SJ7 stage, this time wired in Triode in order to more easily drive the output transformer.  A ’50M’ resistor (or as we know them, 50K ohms) provides negative feedback from stage 2 to stage one.  Thinking that this circuit could be nice as the back end to a 3-stage pre, maybe with a something low-gain like a 76 or 6J5 on the front end with a volume pot following.

UPDATE (2)

EL also provided some images of his particular 40A units… check ’em out…

Pretty amazing that these things made it all the way to Australia way back when… my lord can you imagine how much these things must have cost in their day?

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Update Sept 2013:

E.L. directed us to this eBay auction; a Presto 40a in nice condition (Nashville, TN) sold for $510.  Here are some images:

Presto_case

Presto_circuit Presto_inside2 Presto_Interior1 Presto_label Presto_output_trans************

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Anyone out there using any Presto equipment in their work?  Drop a line and tell us about it….

 UPDATE: a friend has alerted us to The 78 project, a series of new recordings of notable musicians made using just a Shure 51 mic and a Presto disc recorder.  They sound great, and in the videos you can hear both the modern production-sound of the session via the camera audio-track and the actual 78 playback.  Very interesting contrast…

 

38 replies on “UDPATED (4): Presto Recording Corp: Pioneers of ‘Instant’ Analog Disc Recording”

Hi!
I’m very glad to find your site.
I’m a musician, and a recordist.
I have two of the Presto Type 40-A pre-amplifiers (with parts missing) that I’m looking at restoring. There’s not much info online, but this adds a significant something to the resources available. Thanks for posting!
I managed to track down a circuit diagram for this unit.
Send me your email and I’ll forward it on.
My units are missing the input transformers, which were obviously sold on for profit, but I found some miniature UTC replacements in the P-2 model, which offers equivalent specification in a smaller, less glamourous package.
One unit has the Kenyon P400 output transformer in place, whilst the other is missing, unfortunately.
I’m looking forward to trying them out one day!

I’ve got a box , no machine unfortunatly, that I’m trying to date. The metal tag on the lid says , Signal Corp, U.S. Army , Box 318 , order no. 2896PH-52 , Presto Recording Corp. Made of wood dovetailed w/ metal corners on top & bottom. Could this date to WWII , Korea , or possibly later?

I AM INTERESTED IN ANY CATALOG OR PARTS RELATED TO PRESTO RECORDER 6N AND A93 RECORDING AMPLIFIER THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP

I just came across your website. I love it, and I do have a Presto Model “C” disc recorder with its companion Presto Model 85 recording amplifier and also the Model 40-A microphone-pre-amplifier. Certainly gives me the modification to get these units working. I would need the schematic for the Presto 40-A microphone-pre-amplifier.
Thanks for taking the time to post your website. I hope to visit it often.
Best regards, Gaylord Ewing

Gaylord Ewing,
Glad someone out there has the complete PRESTO 40 preamp unit.
– and can make use of the schematic I posted in!
I have two of these units, but many parts missing, unfortunately.
Let us know how you go with the restoration!?

We have a couple of Presto 85 amplifiers we would like to bring to working order again.
Does anyone have a schematic of these?

Tnx,

Thanks for the mention, Chris! It’s so exciting for all of us at The 78 Project to see all of this enthusiasm for Presto history and restoration.

Also, if anyone with a Presto is looking for tubes, we have a fantastic tube guy in Brooklyn called Leeds Radio: http://www.leedsradio.com/

I would like to find if anyone has any info on some blank discs I have. They have been in the basement since I bought my house 30 years ago. Time to start getting rid of some things.

16 inch type 716A stock # 6C15-2. They are still in original package.
Any Value?

Steve

I have a presto arm. Don’t know what the model is. Maybe 1948. its just the arm
The table didn’t come with it. I’m having trouble making the head work cause I sent the head to have coils reduced, after 6 months burned it out. So need the guage of wire think 42. Not sure.. also no amp. Just wanna use it with my stereo.. and its a mono head..

any help would be appreciated to make my magnetic head work. or build one from scratch..maybe a skr.. or something.. but the needle tweets my spkr. i lose sound. so any other ideas.. pls help.. bambi261@yahoo.com

tengo 9 discos de 16″..Presto Recording Corporation con Musical Americano LASpanish..años 57 y 58,,,en buen estado de grabacion…se escuchaban en los barcos de guerra de los EEUU…si alguien esta interesado…comuniquense …

Great site! Just found a Presto 40-a at an auction. Any help on how to test it would be appreciated. Thanks.

Hello,

I have a Presto Model Y system and would like to fine the correct Mic and some Recording needles for it. I do not want to spend a fortune, Just want to complete the unit.

Thanks.

I have a Presto model d7 serial m550 portable lath. It is in decent shape for its age.Would appreciate any info regarding its age, worth,history,potential buyers,etc. Power lamp lights but no idea if it still works. Thank you

I have a Presto Pirouette T-18 turntable with instructions. Would seem to work OK but needs idler wheels. Are they worth anything, hate to scrap it.

Hi,
I just found your site while searching for info a 900A-3 pre-amp/mixer. Great stuff!!
Any info appreciated – a schematic would be particularly helpful!!
Thanks.

i have a presto record with the label dated 9 july 1958. it says the recorder is Frank Sinatra and the title is Canada. do you know anything about this?
thanks,

I have a presto recorder type J-10 Serial # 285 volts 110 cycles-60. with all types of needles. the last time I saw this work I was very young. That is when my Grandfather gave it to me and said hang on to this. I have all different sizes and speed records dating to 1940. Just wandering if I should keep all of this for a while longer or sell it. Could you give me an idea of what it is worth if anything. Maybe I could give it to a museum. Just a thought. Thank You for your time.

I have just found a Presto recording in my old record collection. It reads: Presto, Play Back at 78 RPM, Start Outside in.
Title: John Silver
Recorder: Steve Allen & Bank
Date: 1-13-46
Made in the USA
Condition: Cracks on 1/3 of overall surface
Could anyone tell me the value?

I have just found a Presto recording in my old record collection. It reads: Presto, Play Back at 78 RPM, Start Outside in.
Title: John Silver
Recorder: Steve Allen & Band
Date: 1-13-46
Made in the USA
Condition: Cracks on 1/3 of overall surface
Could anyone tell me the value?

Its certainly great to see and read about the interests in these antique Presto recording Corp. recording lathes and amplifiers.I’m currently restoring a Edison Standard Phonograph Model “D”. I find it interesting that it toke over 100-years to have all this technology come to where it is today. People laugh about the “Antique and Analog” recorders. I still find it fascinating to actually see a Disc Recorder cutting a record. Thanks for this website. Best regards, Gaylord Ewing

Hi,i´m searching presto. tipo(k8) cut record machine.
español. estoy buscando .un equipo o maquinq para grabar vinylos y si es presto type k8 o similar , les agradesco su atencion
gracias.

I recently acquired a modified presto 8dg. It was tailored to fit a westrex 2b head, which otherwise would have never mounted. It also has a very “home brew” looking vac platter. If anybody has any info on where it came from, who modified it, and how it got to wisconsin id be more then delighted to hear about it.

Im currently restoring it to full capability

We had 6 Presto 64As in the original wood cabinets at Far East Network Iwakuni, Japan, when I was there in the early 1960s. That building has long since been torn down and I’m sure the equipment is gone. You can find some pix of the gear if you google “Sounds of the Far East Network” and click on “Studios,” then “Iwakuni.” I think the turntables are mis-identified in those photos.

I have a few pieces of Presto gear. I have a K8 which is working perfectly but is missing the cover with build in Speaker.
I also have a 6N Which i have mounted a Neumann MS52 cutting head with.
I would like to find a original cutting amp to match the 6n but they cost a hefty penny!

Nice site and really great information!

Thank you just found a prestro glass base 12 record in my stack of music i feel there is more of them at least in aluminum mine in now on the wall. my friend in Burnt Ranch, Calif had a recorder like the double turntable it was like a console stereo it had two turntables side by side. to make your own records. The record on the wall has flaking off i seen the glass under it and was amazed it had survived all the years it did. it says it has Valse Bluettte on it well maybe one day well get a reciever again and see what music is left just to hear it.

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