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	Comments on: Altec 436 Compressor: Taming the output level: part 2	</title>
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		By: Variable Balanced Pad &#8211; Coombe Audio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Variable Balanced Pad &#8211; Coombe Audio]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] came across this solution from the Preservation Sound blog, based on the output circuit of the Gates Sta-Level compressor. It&#8217;s a simple passive [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] came across this solution from the Preservation Sound blog, based on the output circuit of the Gates Sta-Level compressor. It&#8217;s a simple passive [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-422164&quot;&gt;Kieron Hunter&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Keiron.  just buy a 20db barrel pad.  many places in the US sell them for $5.  Good luck. CR]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-422164">Kieron Hunter</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Keiron.  just buy a 20db barrel pad.  many places in the US sell them for $5.  Good luck. CR</p>
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		By: Kieron Hunter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kieron Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-121874&quot;&gt;chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Chris
I have an original Altec 436c in which the output level is too high. The desk fader has to be pulled 20db lower with it patched in.  
I don&#039;t want to drill holes to mod it and saw that you had photo of a stand alone attenuator unit.  Is the output simply plugged into it or is invasive surgery required? Do you sell or make these or do you know where I might get hold of one.
Many thanks in advance]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-121874">chris</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Chris<br />
I have an original Altec 436c in which the output level is too high. The desk fader has to be pulled 20db lower with it patched in.<br />
I don&#8217;t want to drill holes to mod it and saw that you had photo of a stand alone attenuator unit.  Is the output simply plugged into it or is invasive surgery required? Do you sell or make these or do you know where I might get hold of one.<br />
Many thanks in advance</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-354142&quot;&gt;Clive Kavan&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Clive,

It&#039;s been a couple of months... any update on the details for the bridged H attenuator for the Altec 436C? Couldn&#039;t find it on your website.

Cheers,
Chris]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-354142">Clive Kavan</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Clive,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a couple of months&#8230; any update on the details for the bridged H attenuator for the Altec 436C? Couldn&#8217;t find it on your website.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Chris</p>
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		By: Clive Kavan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clive Kavan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-113900&quot;&gt;Another Chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes...  I certainly am!  See previous comment for details of the pad...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-113900">Another Chris</a>.</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;  I certainly am!  See previous comment for details of the pad&#8230;</p>
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		By: Clive Kavan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clive Kavan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-112156&quot;&gt;David&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi...  Clive here.  I&#039;ll get it together and publish the values for the bridged H attenuator for this and other devices.  You strap the output for 600 ohms and put this on it.  It fits just inside the chassis to the right of the meter.  It uses 3 wafers from the RS switch kit.
Look on my website in about 2 or 3 months (probably about August 2016) for the details.
TTFN]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-112156">David</a>.</p>
<p>Hi&#8230;  Clive here.  I&#8217;ll get it together and publish the values for the bridged H attenuator for this and other devices.  You strap the output for 600 ohms and put this on it.  It fits just inside the chassis to the right of the meter.  It uses 3 wafers from the RS switch kit.<br />
Look on my website in about 2 or 3 months (probably about August 2016) for the details.<br />
TTFN</p>
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		By: New Video : &#8220;Build A Variable H-Pad&#8221; &#124; Preservation Sound		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[New Video : &#8220;Build A Variable H-Pad&#8221; &#124; Preservation Sound]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] For my original article which describes the development of this device, click here. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] For my original article which describes the development of this device, click here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: David		</title>
		<link>https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-121907</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-121874&quot;&gt;chris&lt;/a&gt;.

It is due to the action of the pad, but not the pad itself.
Putting in the pad allows more cranking of the input level control, since it&#039;s now possible to due so without sending the device following the 436c into flames.
Interestingly it seems the harder the unit compresses, the bigger the bass boost gets. Up to about 3bD at 40hz, and more at lower frequencies. At least on my stock 436c. This is OK, I&#039;m happy with the character of the compressor the way it is, I&#039;m not looking to improve it. Well, maybe the DC on heater mod will get put in next. But it&#039;s used for it&#039;s character, I&#039;m not interested in &quot;fixing&quot; the imperfections. Thanks for putting the info on the webpage, it helped get me motivated to do the mod. I used the values from the Sta-level schematic you link to, which are different than the ones right in your post. I used a 158 Ohm resistor in place of the 200 ohm and 1K pot, the 270&#039;s on the input and 158&#039;s on the output. This produced a loss of 18 dB and presented an impedance of approx. 600 ohms to the compressor output transformer. This is more or less unity gain with the input control at 4, and threshold at +10. With over +20 dBu input to the compressor the output is less than +10. I forget exactly the numbers, but it&#039;s unlikely to cause a problem downstream, which was the complaint up to this point. Maybe this went too far, I&#039;ll find out. Maybe one day I will get a variable pad made, but this will do for now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/altec-436-compressor-taming-the-output-level-part-2/#comment-121874">chris</a>.</p>
<p>It is due to the action of the pad, but not the pad itself.<br />
Putting in the pad allows more cranking of the input level control, since it&#8217;s now possible to due so without sending the device following the 436c into flames.<br />
Interestingly it seems the harder the unit compresses, the bigger the bass boost gets. Up to about 3bD at 40hz, and more at lower frequencies. At least on my stock 436c. This is OK, I&#8217;m happy with the character of the compressor the way it is, I&#8217;m not looking to improve it. Well, maybe the DC on heater mod will get put in next. But it&#8217;s used for it&#8217;s character, I&#8217;m not interested in &#8220;fixing&#8221; the imperfections. Thanks for putting the info on the webpage, it helped get me motivated to do the mod. I used the values from the Sta-level schematic you link to, which are different than the ones right in your post. I used a 158 Ohm resistor in place of the 200 ohm and 1K pot, the 270&#8217;s on the input and 158&#8217;s on the output. This produced a loss of 18 dB and presented an impedance of approx. 600 ohms to the compressor output transformer. This is more or less unity gain with the input control at 4, and threshold at +10. With over +20 dBu input to the compressor the output is less than +10. I forget exactly the numbers, but it&#8217;s unlikely to cause a problem downstream, which was the complaint up to this point. Maybe this went too far, I&#8217;ll find out. Maybe one day I will get a variable pad made, but this will do for now.</p>
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		By: chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wow!  that is so crazy.  did u encounter this situation using an actual 436, with the original output trans?  What impedance are you going into?  10k ohm?  or 600 ohm?

I am gonna run a frequency sweep through the lil stand-alone version of the pad (https://www.preservationsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Variable_h_pad_2.jpg) and see if I encounter the same thing.  

TBC...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow!  that is so crazy.  did u encounter this situation using an actual 436, with the original output trans?  What impedance are you going into?  10k ohm?  or 600 ohm?</p>
<p>I am gonna run a frequency sweep through the lil stand-alone version of the pad (<a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Variable_h_pad_2.jpg" rel="ugc">https://www.preservationsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Variable_h_pad_2.jpg</a>) and see if I encounter the same thing.  </p>
<p>TBC&#8230;</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I went ahead and tried the Gates Sta-level circuit, there seems to be bass boost of around +1.5dB at 40 Hz relative to 1kHz. Do we just live with this bass boost?
This happens with any pad combo, high impedance or low.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went ahead and tried the Gates Sta-level circuit, there seems to be bass boost of around +1.5dB at 40 Hz relative to 1kHz. Do we just live with this bass boost?<br />
This happens with any pad combo, high impedance or low.</p>
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