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		By: zen mod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zen mod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[now I see that jsn also mentioned parafeed 

good call , of course ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now I see that jsn also mentioned parafeed </p>
<p>good call , of course 😉</p>
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		By: zen mod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zen mod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/audio-mixing-console-circa-1949/#comment-35241&quot;&gt;chris&lt;/a&gt;.

OK - there is clarification : output tube is working as any other , having resistive anode loading ; AC voltage is generated across that anode resistor , when tube is amplifying input signal ; when you wire xformer primary across that anode resistor , it will see full AC voltage variation , then transform it on secondary

having 2uF capacitor in series with xformer primary is taking care of not having DC voltage (difference between Ub and Ua) through primary coil itself

take it as usually connected parafeed OPT , but referenced to Ub instead to gnd]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/audio-mixing-console-circa-1949/#comment-35241">chris</a>.</p>
<p>OK &#8211; there is clarification : output tube is working as any other , having resistive anode loading ; AC voltage is generated across that anode resistor , when tube is amplifying input signal ; when you wire xformer primary across that anode resistor , it will see full AC voltage variation , then transform it on secondary</p>
<p>having 2uF capacitor in series with xformer primary is taking care of not having DC voltage (difference between Ub and Ua) through primary coil itself</p>
<p>take it as usually connected parafeed OPT , but referenced to Ub instead to gnd</p>
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		By: chris		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 12:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/audio-mixing-console-circa-1949/#comment-35491&quot;&gt;jsn&lt;/a&gt;.

hi there JSN.  great to see that yr site is back!  i had been wondering where to you&#039;d gone.  lookin forward to getting thru all yr new posts there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/audio-mixing-console-circa-1949/#comment-35491">jsn</a>.</p>
<p>hi there JSN.  great to see that yr site is back!  i had been wondering where to you&#8217;d gone.  lookin forward to getting thru all yr new posts there.</p>
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		By: jsn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 04:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Zen Mod has it right on whether there is any current flowing through the output transformer.  The capacitor will block all of the DC, so you are free to use a non-air-gapped output.  The 33k resistor is kinda wacky though... Maybe this sets up a nice parallel-feed output impedance/capacitance with the 2uf output cap.  Parallel feed output cap values are a bit mysterious to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Zen Mod has it right on whether there is any current flowing through the output transformer.  The capacitor will block all of the DC, so you are free to use a non-air-gapped output.  The 33k resistor is kinda wacky though&#8230; Maybe this sets up a nice parallel-feed output impedance/capacitance with the 2uf output cap.  Parallel feed output cap values are a bit mysterious to me.</p>
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		By: chris		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/audio-mixing-console-circa-1949/#comment-35036&quot;&gt;Zen Mod&lt;/a&gt;.

hi there.  Thank you for weighing in.  Your reply is difficult to understand.  It seems like a few words are missing.   Are you confident that this design will work?  How is the value of the anode resistor calculated?  Thanks - c.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/audio-mixing-console-circa-1949/#comment-35036">Zen Mod</a>.</p>
<p>hi there.  Thank you for weighing in.  Your reply is difficult to understand.  It seems like a few words are missing.   Are you confident that this design will work?  How is the value of the anode resistor calculated?  Thanks &#8211; c.</p>
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		By: rrusston		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 04:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A better example is the design in the old &quot;Audio Anthology&quot; for a packaged mic pre for a guy that did radio for agriculture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A better example is the design in the old &#8220;Audio Anthology&#8221; for a packaged mic pre for a guy that did radio for agriculture.</p>
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		By: Tom Fine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 21:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chris, this is a primitive but very effective mixer. It&#039;s a passive 3x1 mixing network that then feeds what looks like a mic preamp and then a line amplifier and output transformer. It would work fine with dynamic or crystal mics, probably would not provide enough gain for three ribbon mics in front of low-SPL sources. 

A later riff on this concept (no separate mic preamps for each channel) was applied by Roy DuNann at Contemporary Records in the 50&#039;s. He realized he was dealing with high-output European condenser mics, that could put out more than a volt of signal when put in front of a loud jazz musician in Contemporary&#039;s tiny studio/shipping room. So he used matching transformers to bring the mics into a passive mixing network, then hit each buss (left, right and echo sends) with line amps. You can listen to albums like Sonny Rollins &quot;Way Out West&quot; or any of the Poll Winners albums to hear the results -- super-clean and no fuzz distortion from loud drums or piano.

A similar concept was deployed by John Chester when he built the sound board for the Fillmore East. John realized that a rock musician screaming into a dynamic mic produced way more signal than typical mic-input transformers could handle, and also was loud enough that mic preamp gain was not required. Same for mics put in front of a rock drummer. So John built his board with no mic preamps, a passive mixing network and very low-noise but high-gain line amps on the way out. The net result was a quite background and non-fuzzy sound for vocals, drums and whatever else was mic&#039;d to the board.

The learning from all this applies this way to the home studio crowd -- if you&#039;re using a high-output mic in front of a loud source in a little room, you probably need to pad the mic down before it hits an input transformer on a channel strip or USB interface.

-- Tom Fine]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, this is a primitive but very effective mixer. It&#8217;s a passive 3&#215;1 mixing network that then feeds what looks like a mic preamp and then a line amplifier and output transformer. It would work fine with dynamic or crystal mics, probably would not provide enough gain for three ribbon mics in front of low-SPL sources. </p>
<p>A later riff on this concept (no separate mic preamps for each channel) was applied by Roy DuNann at Contemporary Records in the 50&#8217;s. He realized he was dealing with high-output European condenser mics, that could put out more than a volt of signal when put in front of a loud jazz musician in Contemporary&#8217;s tiny studio/shipping room. So he used matching transformers to bring the mics into a passive mixing network, then hit each buss (left, right and echo sends) with line amps. You can listen to albums like Sonny Rollins &#8220;Way Out West&#8221; or any of the Poll Winners albums to hear the results &#8212; super-clean and no fuzz distortion from loud drums or piano.</p>
<p>A similar concept was deployed by John Chester when he built the sound board for the Fillmore East. John realized that a rock musician screaming into a dynamic mic produced way more signal than typical mic-input transformers could handle, and also was loud enough that mic preamp gain was not required. Same for mics put in front of a rock drummer. So John built his board with no mic preamps, a passive mixing network and very low-noise but high-gain line amps on the way out. The net result was a quite background and non-fuzzy sound for vocals, drums and whatever else was mic&#8217;d to the board.</p>
<p>The learning from all this applies this way to the home studio crowd &#8212; if you&#8217;re using a high-output mic in front of a loud source in a little room, you probably need to pad the mic down before it hits an input transformer on a channel strip or USB interface.</p>
<p>&#8212; Tom Fine</p>
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		By: Zen Mod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[there is 2uF cap in series with OPT primary , so blocking DC
primary is modulated by AC developing across anode resistor of 33K , combined (paralleled)  with Z of primary itself]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is 2uF cap in series with OPT primary , so blocking DC<br />
primary is modulated by AC developing across anode resistor of 33K , combined (paralleled)  with Z of primary itself</p>
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