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		By: Tim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-571552&quot;&gt;Ross&lt;/a&gt;.

The Williamson is not unconditionally stable, even with a WWFB.  We can measure that well now, and some subtle circuit changes can make it unconditionally stable at low and high ends.  Sadly, many &#039;Willys&#039; had issues back in the late 40&#039;s and beyond as few had measurement equipment, and many commercial output transformers did not meet spec.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-571552">Ross</a>.</p>
<p>The Williamson is not unconditionally stable, even with a WWFB.  We can measure that well now, and some subtle circuit changes can make it unconditionally stable at low and high ends.  Sadly, many &#8216;Willys&#8217; had issues back in the late 40&#8217;s and beyond as few had measurement equipment, and many commercial output transformers did not meet spec.</p>
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		By: Stephan Oberholzer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephan Oberholzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2023 07:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-253223&quot;&gt;Pier Paolo Ferrari&lt;/a&gt;.

What is the name of your book which you wrote on the the true history of the Williamson amplifier? Is it in English?
Unfortunately I can not read Italian.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-253223">Pier Paolo Ferrari</a>.</p>
<p>What is the name of your book which you wrote on the the true history of the Williamson amplifier? Is it in English?<br />
Unfortunately I can not read Italian.</p>
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		By: H Salmon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2022 11:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-12480&quot;&gt;Chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Chris please send me your circuit diagram my friend.
harmonsalmon583@gmail.com
Thanks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-12480">Chris</a>.</p>
<p>Chris please send me your circuit diagram my friend.<br />
<a href="mailto:harmonsalmon583@gmail.com">harmonsalmon583@gmail.com</a><br />
Thanks</p>
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		By: Ross		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2019 16:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-11838&quot;&gt;Bafflegab&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;But the biggest flaw of the Williamson was its lack of unconditional stability. Because feedback is put across so many stages, including the completely unnecessary differential driver stage, it is not stable into certain reactive loads.&quot;

Rubbish, Bafflegab. There is only one type of feedback applied  in the Williamson amplifier (as can clearly be seen from the schematic) and that is overall feedback from the output transformer&#039;s secondary back to the input stage. 
Remember: the Williamson is in effect a simple three-stage design because V1 is directly coupled to V2, making V1 plus V2 a single stage.
Furthermore, Partridge established themselves as THE prime supplier of output transformers for those seeking to build the Williamson (Williamson himself never sold OPT&#039;s to the consumer, he merely laid down the transformer specs his amp called for). And what an OPT the Partridge was! It was never equalled by any competitor, let alone surpassed. 

&quot;It runs a pair of 6L6 class power tubes into 10 K ohms, and gets perhaps fifteen to twenty watts. A more modern design would get a minimum of 35 and perhaps as much as 50 watts from the same tubes.&quot;

&quot;More modern&quot;? Well, that would have been counter-productive to the whole idea of the Williamson, wouldn&#039;t it? The &quot;Willie&quot;, after all, is a pure class-a design, that goes for maximum sound quality, not for max output power (and thus distortion).  By running the KT66&#039;s well below their max. plate dissipation one gains (beside superior sound) the added benefit of dramatically prolonged tube-life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-11838">Bafflegab</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;But the biggest flaw of the Williamson was its lack of unconditional stability. Because feedback is put across so many stages, including the completely unnecessary differential driver stage, it is not stable into certain reactive loads.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rubbish, Bafflegab. There is only one type of feedback applied  in the Williamson amplifier (as can clearly be seen from the schematic) and that is overall feedback from the output transformer&#8217;s secondary back to the input stage.<br />
Remember: the Williamson is in effect a simple three-stage design because V1 is directly coupled to V2, making V1 plus V2 a single stage.<br />
Furthermore, Partridge established themselves as THE prime supplier of output transformers for those seeking to build the Williamson (Williamson himself never sold OPT&#8217;s to the consumer, he merely laid down the transformer specs his amp called for). And what an OPT the Partridge was! It was never equalled by any competitor, let alone surpassed. </p>
<p>&#8220;It runs a pair of 6L6 class power tubes into 10 K ohms, and gets perhaps fifteen to twenty watts. A more modern design would get a minimum of 35 and perhaps as much as 50 watts from the same tubes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;More modern&#8221;? Well, that would have been counter-productive to the whole idea of the Williamson, wouldn&#8217;t it? The &#8220;Willie&#8221;, after all, is a pure class-a design, that goes for maximum sound quality, not for max output power (and thus distortion).  By running the KT66&#8217;s well below their max. plate dissipation one gains (beside superior sound) the added benefit of dramatically prolonged tube-life.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 05:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-12672&quot;&gt;rrusston&lt;/a&gt;.

The distortion that tubes make is not the same type as transistor distortion ... just look at the se amp figures. I have heard amps that measure perfect but sounds like cardboard . When you can hear  the ring and harmonics of piano strings ,clear vocals , and acurate reproducion , these are remarkable amps . I heard an original years before I built these .... clear and acurate . Pilot used this design in their amps with 6sn 7&#039;s . I use  the original kt66 outputs  and glass 6j5&#039;s  are better than the metal ones . The way Ihave it set up is 1%@1000 HZ . .. 20 WATTS ....Max is 10 % @50 watts .. . . Sounds great driving my AR-9&#039;s with my SAE amp driving the 4-12&quot; woofers -bi amped. Cymbals sound like brass .  I have heard a lot of amps over the years . I have had these in use since 1990 . Super reliable . It works for me . Nothing like 14 tubes heating the room on a cold winter night!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-12672">rrusston</a>.</p>
<p>The distortion that tubes make is not the same type as transistor distortion &#8230; just look at the se amp figures. I have heard amps that measure perfect but sounds like cardboard . When you can hear  the ring and harmonics of piano strings ,clear vocals , and acurate reproducion , these are remarkable amps . I heard an original years before I built these &#8230;. clear and acurate . Pilot used this design in their amps with 6sn 7&#8217;s . I use  the original kt66 outputs  and glass 6j5&#8217;s  are better than the metal ones . The way Ihave it set up is 1%@1000 HZ . .. 20 WATTS &#8230;.Max is 10 % @50 watts .. . . Sounds great driving my AR-9&#8217;s with my SAE amp driving the 4-12&#8243; woofers -bi amped. Cymbals sound like brass .  I have heard a lot of amps over the years . I have had these in use since 1990 . Super reliable . It works for me . Nothing like 14 tubes heating the room on a cold winter night!</p>
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		By: Cathode to ground question &#124; Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] it will change the grid bias by 100mV, which is not very much. The famous Williamson amplifier (https://www.preservationsound.com/?p=3823) uses a complex cathode resistor network, but assume an equivalent of 120Ω per tube, giving a [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] it will change the grid bias by 100mV, which is not very much. The famous Williamson amplifier (<a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/?p=3823" rel="ugc">https://www.preservationsound.com/?p=3823</a>) uses a complex cathode resistor network, but assume an equivalent of 120Ω per tube, giving a [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 05:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-12480&quot;&gt;Chris&lt;/a&gt;.

If you look at specs , you are not hearing the music . I have heard amps that test great on the bench and sound like cardboard. Specs give no indication of how an amp reproduces music and sounds accurate.  When you hear all the harmonics of a piano , and cymbals sound like cymbals , vocalists sound like they are in the room with you -its awesome . You listen to your specs -I will listen to the music . I have the feed back loop connected and switched ... better with it off ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.preservationsound.com/the-williamson-amp-part-one/#comment-12480">Chris</a>.</p>
<p>If you look at specs , you are not hearing the music . I have heard amps that test great on the bench and sound like cardboard. Specs give no indication of how an amp reproduces music and sounds accurate.  When you hear all the harmonics of a piano , and cymbals sound like cymbals , vocalists sound like they are in the room with you -its awesome . You listen to your specs -I will listen to the music . I have the feed back loop connected and switched &#8230; better with it off &#8230;</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just finished building our &quot;Prototype Blue(tooth) Tube Amp&quot;.
It is largely inspired by the Williamson. In the front end using a pair of 6SN7.  The muscle end is rather more like a Dynaco running 6L6GC twins. With  a somewhat more modern power supply (way bigger caps) of my own concoction. Gave it a separate independent bias supply to keep the grids negative and adjustable over a wide range. Also this frees up ~50 volts of lost plate to create a puled up bias. Used a 5K to 8 transformer  and a 660v centrer taped  yielding ~ 470 loaded plate volts. Biased at 40 ma/ L6 it yealds 37 watts no sine of a clip. Slipped the tone control in the feedback loop, Handed him a blue tooth receiver. I sit here listening to my I tunes wondering why I did not do this a decade ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished building our &#8220;Prototype Blue(tooth) Tube Amp&#8221;.<br />
It is largely inspired by the Williamson. In the front end using a pair of 6SN7.  The muscle end is rather more like a Dynaco running 6L6GC twins. With  a somewhat more modern power supply (way bigger caps) of my own concoction. Gave it a separate independent bias supply to keep the grids negative and adjustable over a wide range. Also this frees up ~50 volts of lost plate to create a puled up bias. Used a 5K to 8 transformer  and a 660v centrer taped  yielding ~ 470 loaded plate volts. Biased at 40 ma/ L6 it yealds 37 watts no sine of a clip. Slipped the tone control in the feedback loop, Handed him a blue tooth receiver. I sit here listening to my I tunes wondering why I did not do this a decade ago.</p>
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		By: Pier Paolo Ferrari		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pier Paolo Ferrari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 14:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wrote a book about the true History of D.T.N. Williamson.
The book has been published on March 2013, pag. 460, SANDIT Libri Editore, ITALY.
I am a technical contributor of italian magazine SUONO  and I take a column on vintage equipment from 1999. I also published a LEAK AUDIO HI-FI book, may 2014.
Regards,
P.Paolo Ferrari]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a book about the true History of D.T.N. Williamson.<br />
The book has been published on March 2013, pag. 460, SANDIT Libri Editore, ITALY.<br />
I am a technical contributor of italian magazine SUONO  and I take a column on vintage equipment from 1999. I also published a LEAK AUDIO HI-FI book, may 2014.<br />
Regards,<br />
P.Paolo Ferrari</p>
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		By: Roger Jones		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The reason for Wiliamson VLF instability is that it has two RC couplings plus the OPT in the feedback loop (each gives increasing phase lead as the LF goes lower)  The DC-coupled first stage actually helps since another RC coupling would be fatal.   A very large primary inductance in the OPT delays phase lead effects, too (Williamson specified at least 100H - expensive!)  I have refurbished two of these amplifiers and built one from scratch - all successfully stabilized at VLF - one by using a &quot;VLF gain shelf&quot; and the others by careful choice of RC coupling time constants; don&#039;t make them the same.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason for Wiliamson VLF instability is that it has two RC couplings plus the OPT in the feedback loop (each gives increasing phase lead as the LF goes lower)  The DC-coupled first stage actually helps since another RC coupling would be fatal.   A very large primary inductance in the OPT delays phase lead effects, too (Williamson specified at least 100H &#8211; expensive!)  I have refurbished two of these amplifiers and built one from scratch &#8211; all successfully stabilized at VLF &#8211; one by using a &#8220;VLF gain shelf&#8221; and the others by careful choice of RC coupling time constants; don&#8217;t make them the same.</p>
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